Tech Tools for Wellness: MyFitnessPal

00:14 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Hello friends, Uncle Marv here with another episode of the Unhealthy Podcast, the show where we actually try to do the opposite, where we try to live healthy and be happy. So just to give you guys a quick update on the show. Yes, it is about me from time to time, but more often than not it's actually going to be about you and about the friends that I meet along the way. As many of you may recall, when I started this, it was going to be a journey, my journey to getting back to healthy. Not that I'm too far away from it, but you know, just a little heavy on the belly, a little down in the dump, sometimes too much stress of work and all of that stuff. So I said I got to find a way to get myself back at 100%. So that's what this show is about. So, if you're new, that's how we started. 

01:12
But, as you will certainly find out, we have opened up the show to talk about a ton of different things. It's not just about diet and exercise. It's about our mindset, it's about anything in our life that is unhealthy. You know our unhealthy habits, our unhealthy relationships, whether it's to people or to money, and we'll chat about all of that Now today I have a new friend that I've met, Diana Feinstein, and we're going to chat about a little app that I tried to use about a year ago and I said this isn't working and I dumped it, and apparently she's a guru when it comes to that and other things. So, Diane, welcome to the show. 

01:57 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
I'm so excited to be here, Uncle Marv. 

02:01 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Oh, my goodness gracious. This is going to be interesting because we live in a world now where there's an app for everything, and when I was telling my tech buddies about the fact that I was going to try to eat better and do all of this stuff, it got recommended to me to download this app called my Fitness Pow, and I thought, well, I really don't want to get back into fitness. I did that for most of my life and I'm done exercising. I'm not going to the gym anymore; I'm done playing ball. But this app was really more about, at least from my perspective, tracking the food that you eat, and designed in a way that it would help you with your goals. So I started doing it, and then it got to be cumbersome for me. So we'll chat about that a little bit, but before we get directly into the app, tell me your thoughts. From what you've heard me say so far, what are those things that are going through your mind? As to man, what is this dude thinking? 

03:14 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
So what you're going through is very real, it's normal, and as a seasoned fitness and nutrition coach, I literally see it all the time. So people often come to me and say Do Weight Watchers work? Does my Fitness Pow work? Does the gym work? And I always like to say it depends. It's almost like shaming someone for saying why do you like the color red? I mean, that's very deeply personal and it's very bespoke, and so what may work for you may not work for somebody else, in vice versa, and we try to put people into a box of things that they can and cannot do, can and cannot have. That triggers a lot of emotions, and emotions are actually what drive behavior. So I'm curious what didn't my Fitness Pow do for you that left you with feeling less than? 

04:12 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Well, I guess the short answer is having to go in several times a day and try to track what it was I ate and searching through the foods to find which was the right combination. And okay, was it this kind of bread? Because it's this kind of wheat or white, or did it have a little, you know? Was it this brand? Because each brand has different calories, it just had to be cumbersome. I'm like, okay, I don't have time every day to go in and put all my food in. Even though you could save them, it was still something where, if I got a couple of meals behind, you know, at the end of the day I just didn't want to, didn't want to open up the phone, you know. So, first of all, even though I'm a tech, I'm the type of tech that when I get home I put the tech away. So I don't want to be on the phone tracking stuff. But that was probably the biggest thing. 

05:17 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Excellent. Okay. So when we are, when we don't know how to log our meals, it's almost like we start building up a lot of what we need to do and then we're left wrangling out of necessity when we have no juice left. All right, so this is about using my fitness pal, creating strategic effort to create ease down the road. Again, that's a strategic effort to create ease down the road. Now, when we think about technology, it's about having a strategic plan from a technological standpoint and then executing that plan. 

05:59
What it sounds like was there was no actual plan on how to use my fitness pal in a way that was beneficial for Uncle Marv, and if there was no plan to create strategic ease for Marv, then how on earth can you actually execute that? So when you know what foods and what entries in my fitness pal actually serve you that are going to give you the highest return on your health, you're going to know exactly where and how to focus. So I'm sure that there are certain things that you like to do on a pretty regular basis, right? You know you consistently, I don't know. Give me an example. Like you know for your day, like in your nine to five job, I'm sure you have some kind of schedule, some kind of cadence, certain things that you do to make sure that things run smoothly. Is that fair to say? 

06:49 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Oh, yeah, I mean there's things that every morning you got to you know, open up the computer, check the logs of what's happened overnight, any new alerts that have come up for my clients. That's my list of to-dos that I've been tracking, that I need to get working on what's on the schedule. You know that sort of stuff, so I'm not going to say that it's set in stone, but yes, I do have a set of parameters that every day I've got to check these things and over time it obviously becomes easier, which I assume would be the same way with the app. 

07:28 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Exactly so. Let's take a step back with my fitness pal. What I'm hearing is if you have a set of parameters on my fitness pal that you can consistently lean into so that we don't have that decision fatigue. It sounds like having that routine or that rhythm would actually benefit you over time. Did I understand that right? 

07:53 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Yeah, you did. 

07:55 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Exactly so. Did you know that we're going to fall to the level of our habits at 95% of the time and then we're going to rise to the level of our goals 5% of the time? Right, and that study was, you know, was founded really by James Clear in his book Atomic Habits. So, while everybody knows what they need to do I need to cut down on the sugar, I need to go to the gym, I need to, you know, cut out the junk, I need to eat protein, all of that stuff. Knowing what to do versus actually do it are two totally different things. There's this thing called intellectual mastery I know I need to not eat junk and then there's emotional congruency right, consistently doing what we know we need to do. 

08:39
Now, what's in that gap in between? That's our belief system. So we first need to have attention in the tension, have a plan, and then we need to have a way to consistently execute that plan. And what's really important is that we exercise a sense of self-compassion. So we're led to believe that you know we get on the diet and you know we're going to lose all of this weight, and the minute that it starts getting hard, we're like why bother? That's really like why, by mid-February, most people have fallen off quote unquote their diet. 

09:14
But if, what have you actually created to committing a way of life? What if you practiced and nurtured? What are your fitness and nutrition hygiene practices? You don't think about brushing your teeth, it's just what you do, that's dental hygiene. So, Uncle Marv, what are your bespoke fitness and nutrition hygiene practices that are sustainable and doable and what are the right tools to actually get you there? And maybe my fitness pal, maybe one of them just doesn't sound like we have a distinct strategy that creates strategic efforts to create ease down the road. Did I understand that right? 

09:54 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Well, yes, and I'm sitting here thinking I don't know that I have anything. So what I did for the first portion of my life, you know, avid Sports Guy worked out, ran, did all that stuff. I'm not doing that again. You know, I got to the point where. I retired. I'm good, so I need to find something new. 

10:20
But, let me ask you this because I think part of what I've been trying to figure out is everybody, like you mentioned earlier, everybody kind of has what works for them. And just to give you a little background so my wife worked for LA Weight Loss. She ran some centers and people came in there and, just like anything else, there were people that were gunned home, lost the weight, and then others that didn't. And so when I first got on this journey, we tried doing what she did at the center and it did not work. And you know she thought she's like look, this is what I do for guys at the center. I don't know why it's not working for you and we couldn't figure that out. 

11:11
So maybe there's a part of me that’s okay, I don't know if these planned things work, so that's probably a good way to go back and look at okay, I've got to wrap my head around. Okay, how do I find out what works for me? Because the question I was going to ask you is how many people do you know that really have made a difference by following an app, whether it's MyFitnessPal or any? 

11:41 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
So a lot of that really depends on, like, the personality type, right? How emotional, what kind of stories do people have when it relates to food? And the more emotionally charged that relationship is, the more nuanced someone's plan becomes. And that's the difference between a cookie cutter solution, let's say, like LA weight loss, or like Weight Watchers, right, putting you into a box of things that you can and cannot have, right, they don't actually unpack the stories right bespoke to you in a way that actually makes sense, right? So, as a first generation Filipino American, one of the things that I love, love, right with so much affection deep fried pork, right the minute that pig comes out into the table, Christmas, oh my goodness, that brings me joy. 

12:31 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Bacon. 

12:33 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Oh, totally right. How many weight loss coaches will tell you that you must have bacon on your plan? Do I need to have that a Tuesday and March? No, right. But unless my way of life actually incorporates that spiritual side of me, right, that's like my culture, that's like my values that start to come out, how do you actually balance that story with a healthy lifestyle practice that is really true to you, right, it's? You know, while textbook, you know we, you know a lot of. You know fitness professionals. They recommend. You know weight training and you know working 150 minutes of, like, moderate exercise, all of that stuff. 

13:16
Well, how you actually go about executing that is pretty deeply personal. And what I do here at Max Pact Health is I actually put people through what's called an energy audit. Right, you have 24 hours a day, times seven days a week. That's 168 hours that you were living your life every single week. Now all I'm looking for is just like 30 minutes every day for you to actually cultivate a way of life, and we work in as little as eight minute execution blocks. So what are those eight minute execution blocks? Quote, unquote, your power blocks, your daily routines that actually create strategic effort so that you have ease down the road. What are the number of things that you need to focus on to create leverage? So I spent about 20 years in investment banking and you know it's about creating like an optimized portfolio. 

14:07
I don't know about you. I would never do my own dental work. I would never try to fix my own car right; I take it to a professional to get it fixed properly. But our health? What we've been conditioned to by society, here's a $19.99 app. Have fun, but this is actually one of the greatest investments that we can make. We've been conditioned to be on a diet to lose weight, but what if we actually created a way of life to get us to our goals and then to keep us there for the rest of their life? Would you be willing to change your paradigm? And that's why that that's what the difference between an app versus coaching looks like. You don't take a vacation from a way of life, and that's really what I work with the people. 

14:57 - Uncle Marv (Host)
All right. So you started to go down the road of what you do, and I purposely did not introduce all of that because I wanted to get to this app first and give us a starting point. But let's go ahead and take a step back, because I think that that plays a real good part into why I think you and I kind of clicked in this unhealthy journey. You know, my question always is what is it that works for certain people and why doesn't it work for others? And you know, yes, you talked about us being conditioned to always think about in order to fix something. It's got to be a diet. 

15:38 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Right. 

15:40 - Uncle Marv (Host)
And I've been trying to look at the unconventional diet plans, I guess. Is that the way to say? 

15:49 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
it. It's not the. 

15:50 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Weight Watchers. It's not the Jenny Craig LA Weight Loss. Sorry wife, but I'm not going to say it sucked, but it didn't work. We're in this YouTube generation now where people are throwing their videos and saying you know; eat these 10 things and you lose your belly in four weeks. Yeah, I know that that's not right. 

16:15 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
That's right. 

16:16 - Uncle Marv (Host)
So you come from a perspective of this is a lifestyle that needs to be looked at not from a diet perspective, but from a holistic point of view. 

16:31 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Can you describe? 

16:32 - Uncle Marv (Host)
that. 

16:34 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
So, when you think about what are, like, how do you actually want to live your life? Right, I want to run around with my grandkids? Right, I want to be able to play basketball, like, without getting winded. I want to be able to ski, I want to be able to hike. I want to button my pants. Right, what are the lifestyle habits or practices that are actually going to get me there? Okay, when I eat bacon, do I need to eat that every day? Right? And if the answer is yes, then you have to understand that you're not going to be able to run around after your grandkids, right, because the amount of saturated fat that's going to be clogged in your arteries. But maybe you need that on a Sunday when you're like cooking you know, cooking breakfast for your grandkids, right? Everything has a time and place for everything. Right, I like to tell my, you know, I like to talk to my clients about, you know, whether or not gas station sushi has a place in their life, right? Is it worth it? Is it worth wasting the bullet? 

17:38
I'm sorry, that just does not sound right at all, but there are the equivalent of, like gas station sushi habits, right, that we all have. So you know one of my clients. He's a really big wine connoisseur. 

17:52 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Okay. 

17:53 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
And so you know what is the equivalent of, like your gas station sushi when you're drinking wine and he goes, well, it's the thing that I drink on a Tuesday Like okay, in terms of your health portfolio, is that worth it to you? Because when you do that, you're actually, you know, putting yourself towards, you know higher. Let's say, like you know, not actually having great sleep on a Tuesday. Is gas station sushi worth it? When you drink wine, that's like suboptimal on Tuesday, right, knowing that, like when you want to run after your grandkids, that that's actually pulling you back. Is that habit worth it to you? 

18:35
The minute that I start putting people into a box of things that they can and cannot do, that triggers deprivation, and so what I really focus on doing with my clients is they ask them very distinct questions. Carl Jung said that you know the moment that you take the unconscious and you bring it to conscious, that's actually one of the most noble things that you can do for somebody, because the minute that it comes from that person, it's like that aha, come to Jesus moment. They're more likely to actually show it for themselves as opposed to me, because somebody told them to. 

19:08 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Okay, now that sounds pretty ethereal. That's kind of heady. How do we, how do we bring that to become actionable for the regular person? 

19:23 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
That's a great question. So give me something that you enjoy eating, Michael Marv. 

19:31 - Uncle Marv (Host)
I enjoy eating yeah. Pizza. 

19:37 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Pizza. Okay. Now what if I told you can have pizza, but we reimagined what pizza looked like and you could eat that and you could actually lose 15 pounds in a year? Would you be willing to get creative and reimagine that relationship with what pizza actually looks like? 

19:53 - Uncle Marv (Host)
I'd probably have to see it first. 

19:56 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
That's great, okay, so that's what things I do. It's like well, what are the things that people actually enjoy doing? Is it the texture, is it the smell of the sauce, right? So I look at, people always give me like their baseline foods and then we transform them to give them higher returns on their health. It's the same texture, it's the same crunch, it's the same emotional experience, but we've reimagined it and created it in a way that actually is affirming for them life-wise, as well as metabolism, fat, fat reduction, weight reduction, helping them manage their cholesterol triglycerides, just a manner of being really creative. And so, like I've enlisted, like a number of professionals, some of the best chefs, some of the really great fitness instructors, and I meet people where they are and I transform their life practices to give them higher returns on their health portfolio. So what I'm going to do for you, Uncle Marvis, I'm actually going to take this back to one of my chefs and I'm going to reimagine pizza for you and you're going to let me know how it goes. Does that sound fair? 

21:00 - Uncle Marv (Host)
You're going to send me pizza. 

21:03 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Yeah, I'm going to send you a recipe. I'm going to actually post it on social media and we're going to reimagine pizza for you and you're going to let me know how it tastes. 

21:10 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Okay, all right. 

21:11 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Yeah, awesome. 

21:13 - Uncle Marv (Host)
We'll see how that goes. So let me do this. So you mentioned Max Pact Health, so I want to let people know that that is your organization and basically a health and fitness related organization. And what exactly is it that you do besides give us heady thoughts about how we should envision our healthy life? 

21:43 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
So this is a full service health concierge that got its core. I work for busy professionals that feel exhausted, trying to get their health under control. People that are coming to Max Pact Health. They're so dissatisfied with signing up for another diet plan, another meal delivery service or personal trainer or supplements that promise them the world. You see my idea here at Max Pact Health. The reason why I created it is because I was looking to create realistic lifestyle practices that support people how they want to look and feel every single day, without feeling overwhelmed, trying to make it all work, unlike a lot of cookie cutter solutions that put people into a box of things that they can and cannot have. I mean that's going to leave you feeling demoralized and exhausted, like you're always behind. 

22:32
So, my approach it's up based on the science of behavior change, emotional agility and accountability metrics. If we figure out that my fitness pal actually works for you, we're going to show you how to produce the greatest return on time and energy both of which are finite in just 30 minutes every day. 

22:54 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Hmm, Now is this something that you started because you were in a similar place that I've told everybody I'm at. 

23:03 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Exactly. 

23:04
Yeah so I? This is the program that I would have wanted when I started my Journey, call it like 10 years ago. Right, yeah, people always keep promising you the world but then like they fall short to deliver. Like, everybody that I work with is Really smart. They're all very driven. They've had, you know, really great success, whether it was in you know their hobbies raising kids. You know their job. Now, what if you could take that same lens and you could pivot that onto your health, like what makes you really truly exceptional at the thing that you put your mind to? What if you could put that on weight loss, Uncle Marvel, what would that look like for you? 

23:52 - Uncle Marv (Host)
I'll have to think about that. You want me to think about it right now. 

23:57 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Oh yeah, I know you are. 

24:01 - Uncle Marv (Host)
All right let's rephrase that question for me, so I can put it in a yeah. 

24:06 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
What, what? Let's put it this way what's your superpower? Professionally your superpower. So I've been told that my superpower is being kind and being receptive to my clients, listening to them and providing them the service that they want okay, now what if you were kind and provided yourself the service that you needed, as it related to losing these 15 pounds and you felt really good about it? Would that get you to your goal sustainably? It? 

24:53 - Uncle Marv (Host)
should. 

24:55 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
And that's my company right there. I take whatever superpower you have and I pivot it onto your health. 

25:02 - Uncle Marv (Host)
All right, interesting. So let me go back to my original question. Is going to take us off track. Can an app really help us in changing our Health, diet, lifestyle, blah, blah, blah, all of those things. 

25:29 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
If used properly, okay, if used in a focused manner. 

25:37 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Will you be focused on my manners? 

25:39 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
focused right. So the brain can only handle so many things to focus on at a time. And so what I heard was, when you were with my fitness pal, it was it was overwhelming. There was so much decision fatigue. Now, if you just had to choose literally between two or three things and you had to log it one time, at the end of the day you had a plan and then you executed that plan and you literally just put it on automation, would that app work for you? 

26:15 - Uncle Marv (Host)
okay now you just said a great tech word Automation. 

26:21 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
That must be, that's beyond. Get it. 

26:23 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Well, that's what we do for our clients. That's what half of our service is Putting things on automation so that we can provide that sustainable monthly service to make sure that their Computers are up and running, make sure they're not being attacked by ransomware and stuff. So yeah, if we could put, if we could put diet on automation. 

26:45 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
And that's a habit. That's exactly what habits are Okay. 

26:48 - Uncle Marv (Host)
habits are automation habits are hard, are they? 

26:53 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
if you, if you don't know what you're doing, sure, okay, right, changing my tire Super hard, right? If I give it to the dude that does it literally all day, every day, it's cake for him. 

27:06 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Okay, that made sense. I was going to say changing your tires is not a habit, but I guess if it's, if it's your job and you do it every day, then yes, it becomes a habit. Right comes second nature. 

27:16 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Exactly okay, so you ever watch the matrix. 

27:19 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Which one the? 

27:20 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
movie. The movie is a matrix. 

27:22 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Well, yeah, I watched one, right three. 

27:25 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Okay, so there is the scene. Where is it geo or neo? 

27:29 - Uncle Marv (Host)
neo. 

27:30 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Neo, okay, do you remember that scene where, like he basically gets downloaded like how to do, like kung? 

27:35 - Uncle Marv (Host)
fu. 

27:35 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Yeah, exactly Okay. And it was like you know, his eyes started twittering and he was just like, oh my god, I learned kung fu. And it was like I think the clip, the whole clip, was something like 15 seconds where his eyes were flittering. He's like all of a sudden, I know right, and so, like that's basically what I do with people I picked, I take a download of like all of the years that I've been geeking out and nerding out and you want it, you want to know how to get something done. 

27:59
You give it to the really super smart Asian kid that is like relentless and passionate about what they do, right, and you give them a problem statement and you say, here's the spoon, I Will figure it out. And then I will take everything that I've nerded out and geeked out and all of my experience, and then I basically download it into your brain in a way that works for you. So I'm kind of like the matrix and neo I download all of my experience and I shove it into your brain and you're just like, oh my god, now I know, now I know where, and now I know what the automation sequences, how do I actually put it on the repeater? 

28:39 - Uncle Marv (Host)
All right. So I didn't ask you this when we first met and we got on to this app, but it sounded like when I brought up the name. It's one that you use on a regular basis or you do. You have other apps that you share with people. 

28:58 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
So my fitness pal is like my biggest one. 

29:01 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Okay. 

29:02 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
But then there are people that don't like them. They're trying to remove themselves from technology. Okay. So you know, I ask a lot of people about you know what really excited them when they were kids, right? Are they more of an analog person? Do they like paper? Right. And so I find a tracking system that works for them. For a lot of people, it's my fitness pal. For some people, I just like honestly use like hand measurements or actually create you know a tracking system for them in my app, right? 

29:32
So one of the biggest things that I geeked out on was the science of behavior change and understanding behavior Loops. Right, and creating a behavioral loop is like, is a lot like creating a system, right. If you do not have a starting point or if you don't have an anchor and all this is outlined in James clear you know book atomic habits if you don't have an anchor, then you don't actually have a starting point, right? If you don't actually have the behavior, you don't have a habit. Now, did you know what creates the habit is not the behavior itself, it's actually the dopamine head, that positive reinforcement, right. The minute that you have a dopamine hit at the end of a behavior a little minute. 

30:12 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Wait a minute, I thought it was repetition. 

30:16 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
With the consistent dopamine hit at the end okay right. If you don't have that, dopamine hit at the end doesn't happen. So think about old times when you had the consistency of eating of like be trying to be on a diet. If there is no positive reinforcement at the end of it, neuroplasticity doesn't actually take root. 

30:41 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Okay, so I apologize for stuttering here, but it sounds to me like you're saying that the diet must be good, like you must feel happy with the food you're eating. 

30:58 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
A thousand percent. Okay, the minute it tastes like cardboard and you feel like you're on your diet, this is not working. 

31:07 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Alright. So I don't like tofu, so I don't have to eat it A hundred percent. Alright. 

31:13 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
That's why I was under. I always like people what makes you happy, like I have. 50% of my clients are huge foodies. Huge, yeah. And that's why I invested so heavily in really sourcing some of, like you know, the chefs that really make food taste great like a craft. I really look for chefs that have a craftsman mindset when it comes to flavor profiles. Food is love; food is connection. Right the minute you start thinking like I have to eat this cardboard box or like I have to eat this salad with this like really dry chicken breast dude, this isn't working. 

31:51
Okay, this has got to feel like an absolute umami bomb. 

31:55 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Alright, now we're talking. 

31:56 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
So there, right, so like. So you know a lot of my clients, you know they are, they're of like Southeast Asian descent and so I've taken, you know, a pretty, a pretty big focus on creating flavor profiles that are really focused on like Southeast Asian flavor profiles. They're like, oh my god, this, this was like when I was back in Pakistan. Right, this was like when I was with my grandmother, you know. You know, sitting and watching her make meals while I was in India, and so there becomes that emotional tethering when it comes to food and you're going to keep on showing up to do things that make you happy, right, if tofu don't make you happy Shouldn't be party. It shouldn't be part of your nutrition hygiene practices. Yeah, but I don't have to kill myself. 

32:44 - Uncle Marv (Host)
But Chinese takeout shouldn't be either. 

32:47 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Says who you have to like. You have to like the flavor profile, right, you just have to. You have to have to transform. You know the way that that Chinese food is created, right, I have an entire, like you know, Chinese takeout menu. Right, that you actually create in your home, something that I've completely geeked out and obsessed over. It has to taste like Chinese takeout, otherwise you're not going to eat it. 

33:10 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Okay, we are going to have to talk more, are you okay with that? 

33:18 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
I would love to have a right time. 

33:21 - Uncle Marv (Host)
I would love to Because all these things we're chatting about, I'm like, okay, I've got this. I want to ask you this. I want to ask you we just don't have enough time in one show. I'm going to have to find a way to get you on, especially if you're going to make me do homework and eat a new type of pizza. 

33:39 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
I would. I would love that. I'm going to take that back to my chef, Kate, and we're going to make something just for you. 

33:43 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Alright. So Diana Feinstein, my new friend, and I'm going to have a link to her information where, if you want to get in touch with her and do what she's going to make me do, that'll be great. I'm also going to put a link to this book you mentioned, atomic Happens by James Clear An easy and proven way to build good habits and break bad ones. Excellent, I'm going to have to read it because sounds like that should be a mainstay on my show. 

34:13 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Awesome. 

34:14 - Uncle Marv (Host)
So, Diana, as I was going through this and we talked about the app and all of that stuff, I'll give you an opportunity to ask one question of me. What question would that be? 

34:30 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Because you've already asked me a couple, but yeah, let's say what's one thing I could ask you, what's one thing that would make you really happy in terms of your we'll use the word diet, right what's one thing that would really make you happy in terms of your diet six months from now, knowing like, oh, my god, I can do this and still get to my weight loss goal? 

34:56 - Uncle Marv (Host)
So here's the thing, let me. Let me kind of frame this properly. I just want to get rid of my belly. 

35:05 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Okay. 

35:06 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Now I assume that that means I probably need to lose between 15 or so pounds. 

35:14 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Okay. 

35:16 - Uncle Marv (Host)
All in the belly, yeah. As for everything else, I don't really have any other diet goals, except that when I lose the belly, I don't want it to come back. Great Now, sometimes it sounds like when I talk to other people that's not specific enough. 

35:35 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Nope, more than specific enough for me. Okay, so we're just going to have to create a way of life and reimagine your current habit profile and repivot it is using your superpower to get off the belly. That's easy. 

35:52 - Uncle Marv (Host)
All right. 

35:53 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
As long as you know how. 

35:54 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Sounds simple enough. Beautiful, all right. Well, Diana, thank you for coming on the show and spending some time and putting up with my weird questions about my fitness pal. 

36:08 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Oh, throw them at me, Uncle Marv, I'm ready for it, right? 

36:12 - Uncle Marv (Host)
And I will await your pizza Re-envisioning recipe. Now it sounds like I have to cook this, right? 

36:23 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
So we can do a couple of different things. All right, I have one. I have one program where I send the chef to you. I like the chef will hold your hand as you create the pizza, or we create the pizza recipe, and then you do it on your own. 

36:39 - Uncle Marv (Host)
All right, we'll have to talk about that after the show. Cooking sounds like work. 

36:48 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Not if you don't know what. You're a creative guy, right? What if I told you that spent that learning how to make pizza would help you lose belly, would you be willing? 

36:58 - Uncle Marv (Host)
Again, I got to see it. I got to see it. I'm one of those types of guys. 

37:04 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
I hear that. I hear that. 

37:06 - Uncle Marv (Host)
All right, well again, Diana, thank you very much for coming on, and we will work on having you come back when it's time to follow up, and I've enjoyed this and I hope the listeners do did as well. 

37:19 - Diana Feinstein (Guest)
Awesome, thank you. 

37:20 - Uncle Marv (Host)
All right, folks. There you have it, Diana Feinstein, and she's going to help me learn how to use my fitness pal and how to eat a new type of pizza. That's going to do it for this show. Catch us anytime. Head over to unhealthypodcast.com. If this is your first time listening, pick on one of the pod catchers there and you'll be alerted when these drop and get downloaded. And for everybody else, we'll see you soon and until then, Holla.