Microdosing, Mindset, and Liberation with Julie Cyvonne

[Uncle Marv]
Hello friends, Uncle Marv back with another episode of The Unhealthy Podcast, the show where we talk about living life in a healthy manner, but by doing it in a little different way. We talk about removing all of the things that are unhealthy, all those bad habits, bad foods, we talk about all the other areas of life that can interfere with our happiness, relationships, money, mindset, all that sort of stuff. So that's the show.

And today we are going to be revisiting a previous guest that I had on. And let me first qualify this by saying that the guest that I'm bringing on today is the reason that I am drinking mushroom coffee. And I'll be honest, I don't know if it's doing anything or not, but it makes me feel good to say that I'm drinking mushroom coffee.

And the guest that I'm talking about is Julie Cyvonne. Julie, welcome back to the show.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Uncle Marv, I'm so excited to be here and just tickled pink that you're now drinking mushroom coffee.

[Uncle Marv]
And I was going to say, our guests will not be able to see the fact that you were giggling while I was saying that.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Oh my gosh, it just made me so happy.

[Uncle Marv]
Let me ask this question and this will be the way we start. How does it make you feel to hear somebody say that where I'm drinking mushroom coffee?

[Julie Cyvonne]
My goal is never to like change someone's mind or, you know, I really love revisiting this book time and time again, how to win friends and influence people. I think it's a beautiful book with so many great concepts and you know, you're never going to tell someone they're wrong or that they need to do something is just a really ineffective way to promote any sort of change. My goal is always just to speak about things in a way that makes these like sometimes taboo topics approachable to come from a really grounded scientific place rooted in research.

And if people decide that they want to, you know, open the door to even something like mushroom coffee uses functional mushrooms and adaptogens, it isn't like psychedelic mushrooms. But just to be open to, hey, maybe there's something here in this world of mycelium that could benefit me just makes me happy. And it feels like I'm going about this in a way that's supportive ultimately.

[Uncle Marv]
Well, let me say this, and I didn't prep you for this, but I do want you to know that after we did those episodes and I did the post on Facebook, I probably got more reaction out of that just posting about mushrooms than I have on any of my other shows. And it's weird because I got referral links that were saying, well, if you like to talk about mushrooms, you should go here. And then I was actually I think I asked a question about which mushroom coffee to drink.

And I can't believe how many responses I got from people that I did not even expect. So just to let you know that that is the type of reaction that we got from our last episodes.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Well, I wish that I was I don't wish I was on Facebook because that platform has never really worked for me, but I wish I was on there just to have been able to see the conversation and everything unravel. But an unravel, that sounds bad, unfold. But I think that's great that so many people like were interested in and wanted to engage with it.

And there are a lot of different functional mushroom coffee brands out there. So I'm happy that people were chiming in with their favorites.

[Uncle Marv]
Yeah, it was good and not and not as bad as I thought. And listen, and, you know, I've made it a point to try to start mild in my in my quest. So these are, you know, basically I found the Keurig branded Vita something, you know, that are the organic fair trade mushroom coffees.

One is Focus and the other, I forget the name, but two different brands. And so I kind of alternate between those here at the office every morning.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Yeah, taste is not as bad as some people might think. Mushrooms definitely have sort of a distinctive woody flavor. But, you know, I know you were saying, I'm not sure if I've noticed too much of a difference or any difference at all.

And that's fair. It might not be for you. But I think it's so great that you're just open to experiencing it and see what's there.

[Uncle Marv]
Well, I don't know how much of the show you followed, but the whole thing I've done in the last year is to simply change my diet. And I don't know if we talked about this, but, you know, my goal is to never, ever go to a gym again. But I need to get in shape.

And I found that really some of the easiest things to do with that is just simply to change the way we eat and stop eating crappy food.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Oh, I always my I dated this really good looking hockey player. Not the best relationship, but he was good looking. But he always said that abs are made in the kitchen, not in the gym.

Like, it's really you have to eat well or no amount of working out is going to change anything for you. And I really believe that. And I've seen it for myself for sure.

When I clean up my diet, I just I notice that I carry less weight and I look better and I feel better.

[Uncle Marv]
Yeah, you sure do. So you mentioned not being on the Facebook. Let me go ahead and say that I lurk on the Instagram or as the kids call it, the IG.

And I see that is your primary platform. Yes. And so, of course, I've noticed some of the things that you've done that kind of followed you over the last year or so.

So let's just start with tell me what's happened in the last year.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Oh, well, as you know, I shared I wanted to go back and listen to our podcast episode. So I respected your listeners times and I wasn't repeating stuff we had already talked about. And maybe I could find ways to build off the conversations we'd already touched on.

And at the beginning of one of the first episodes I had shared, I just had knee surgery. And that was dread knee surgery at the end of April in 2024. And I don't think I realized then how deep I was in sort of like a dark, a dark spot.

And surgery was something I never experienced before. It really threw me for a loop, not being able to move my body how I was used to. And it actually prompted me to make a lot of changes, one of which has been moving to Kansas City, because after having knee surgery and doing I mean, man, I was following the physical therapy recommendation.

I was doing everything that the doctors told me to do. I just wasn't seeing the progress that I wanted to see in terms of mobility, reduction in pain, et cetera. And so I found this laser that is a class for laser like professional sports teams have them in their training rooms.

And it was publicly available in California. And I started using it and was amazing what I was able to do as a result of it. And, you know, they say things happen on the coast and migrate inward.

Well, you know, nowhere in the Midwest do they have this laser. And I really wanted my mom to use it for this chronic neck pain she has no one in the surrounding area. So I'm a Midwest girl.

I'm from Iowa. I decided, hey, I'm going to move to Kansas City. I'm going to get this laser.

I'm going to open a laser clinic. So now I'm still doing my online work with coaching and I'm in the process of opening up a laser clinic here. So a lot of big life changes.

[Uncle Marv]
Now, when you say laser, let's help me. I was going to say my listeners, but help me understand what we mean by laser, because my first thought that came in was some of either these handheld laser machines that you can kind of rub over, you know, they used to be the infrared was, I guess, how they started, right?

[Julie Cyvonne]
Yeah. So this is a class four. So class four refers to like the strength of the laser and sort of like the potency, like this, the strength in terms of both, like you need certain certifications to operate the laser.

And, you know, there's more of a technique to it than perhaps like those red light masks that you see people wearing on the internet. It's also a cold laser. So hot lasers are the lasers we think of when we see people like a plastic surgery clinics, getting sort of like resurfacing on their face or like peeling away of a layer of skin.

That is not what this kind of laser is. It's a cold laser that can penetrate seven inches deep into the skin and the muscles and the tissues. It doesn't penetrate into bone, but through the like activation of the mitochondria in the cell and producing more ATP, what the laser is able to do is make sure our cells are operating a hundred percent to produce healing, to reduce inflammation, promote more oxygen flow, and ultimately heal these tissues to either, you know, help people post-surgery get to the place they want to be, or ideally as a non-surgical alternative to minor tears and sprains.

[Uncle Marv]
Okay. So another thought that came to my mind was these laser surgery clinics where they do the cool sculpting.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Oh yeah. I'm not familiar with how that works. Okay.

I'm not either. A whole other, that's a whole other arena. I would say I'm pretty familiar with my one laser.

This laser, it's a, you can look it up. It's an FDA approved and patented laser. It's called Phoenix Thera-Lase.

The Chiefs actually have one here in Kansas City in their locker rooms. Many other major sports teams have them and they're just amazing in what they can do.

[Uncle Marv]
All right. So, and you're going to open up a clinic now. Does that mean that you're going to have a whole fleet of these lasers and do different lasers do different things?

[Julie Cyvonne]
So in this one laser, the Phoenix Thera-Lase system is one laser, meaning they only sell this one laser. It's not a bunch of different lasers for different things. I hope to open more than one location.

The one laser is quite expensive. So my current goal is open this business, focus on this laser treatment, educate the community on how this works, what it's good for, and, you know, build up like what I like to say, proof of concept. From there, expand the business into like more of a complete wellness and recovery stop.

So having a PEMF board, Oxana, cold plunge, compression boots, et cetera, in one area. So people could come there for physical optimization, right? I like to think of what I do as mental optimization with psychedelics, but now I'm really combining both of my loves and doing a whole body holistic approach.

[Uncle Marv]
All right. So I was going to ask about a session and you just mentioned a bunch of different options so that people can kind of go to a laser spa, I guess, and get other things. What would a typical laser session be?

[Julie Cyvonne]
Yeah, so the laser does depend on the length of session depends on what we're working on, right? So I came to it for my knee and I would say a knee session is pretty much average because it also really depends on like how much of your body we're targeting. So for an average session, most people come in for 30 minutes.

And so the laser starts by isolating on different points that are based on like, you know, tendon insertion, muscle groups, et cetera. And after we target each point with like a direct laser, meaning no movement, then we start to make passes with the laser. And you're like, this sounds kind of tedious and it is a bit for the technician.

But, you know, we make sure we get all sides up. Like if it's your knee, right? We want to get the front, the side, the backs.

And that's about 30 minutes. But, you know, a lot of people in California were coming in for pickleball injuries, right? So we got a wrist thing going on.

That's a shorter sessions, about 15. But let's say we want to target multiple areas. People can also book an hour long session, but that's much less common.

I would say 30 minutes or 15 minutes is the most common treatment session time.

[Uncle Marv]
Right. And this was not available where you were before.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Well, it was available in California. And this woman used to work in sales for this laser system. And so, you know, she was working with all these sports teams, et cetera.

And then she was like, hey, this is great if you're, you know, Patrick Mahomes. But if you're not Patrick Mahomes and you sprained your ankle and you still want to be able to get back out there, what are like what's available for the public? Yeah.

Like it makes sense that we are helping these professional athletes get back out on the field or the ice or whatever quickly. That's great. But real people have injuries, too, that are incapacitating them to some degree.

[Uncle Marv]
Right.

[Julie Cyvonne]
So she bought multiple lasers and she has multiple clinics in Southern California in the San Diego area. But there wasn't anything here in the Midwest, which is really where like I wanted my mom to be able to use it. And, you know, for it's you might not think this, but about 50 percent of the clientele in California were student athletes, because it's a lot to say to a kid like, you know, you should go under the knife.

Right. Like someone who's now survived surgery, I wouldn't necessarily recommend it to anyone. So if we can create more non-surgical alternatives, I just think about what that could do for people.

[Uncle Marv]
All right. Now, you mentioned that a lot of this was based on the fact that your knee recovery was not going as you had expected. So what was it that I that you started to realize, OK, this isn't working?

I've got to go find something else. And how did you end up finding the laser?

[Julie Cyvonne]
Yeah. So one thing that I've now become very passionate about is this idea of informed consent in terms of like medical procedures. And basically what I was told was, hey, like your meniscus is not going to get better like through physical therapy, through anything.

And I agree with that. Like I could show me pictures after surgery. They took pictures when they were in there and it was tore up.

So I agree. It was not going to get better. But like you can either live with this pain or you can have surgery.

Surgery, you'll come in on a Thursday, you know, you'll take time off over the weekend on Friday and on Monday you'll get back to back to your job, back to life. And so, you know, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, all really bad days. And Monday I'm like, you think I'm going to be able to like use my brain, work, blah, blah.

Like this is insane. This is not going well. I'm in a lot of pain.

And, you know, I was trying to figure out the right. But I never want to get like hooked on a painkiller, right? I'm trying to figure out the right dosage of, OK, I don't want to I want to take enough of this so that I am not in so much pain, but I don't want to be like out of my mind, loopy or anything like this.

And man, it was just so terrible. And following the physical therapy, like I was reaching all of the milestones for a while. Like I would say the first maybe six weeks I was like I could bend my leg all the way that they said, and then I could bring it to 90.

And the first milestones or developmental things, whatever, I was fine. And then, you know, they say I forget what point they said, like, you should be able to run or you could get back to running. I was like, run.

I still to this day, like don't necessarily feel super comfortable running. But what really stuck out to me was I had finally gone back to yoga. Yoga is just like my where I chill out, where I really focus and stop thinking about the day.

And there's a move. It's called Skandasana. There's a pose and you're all the way over kind of crouching.

One knee is fully bent and one leg is straight. And so I can do it fine on my right side where I didn't have any surgery. But the left side was like, no way there was swelling and pain and all sorts of stuff.

And my yoga teacher had actually recommended this laser to me because she had worked there part time providing the laser service. And that's where I found it. And from there, I was just like, wow, I wish I'd had this earlier.

[Uncle Marv]
Interesting. I was going to ask the question, were you running before?

[Julie Cyvonne]
No, I've never really been a runner, right? Like I would say I would run. I would go for a run if I was really mad.

Or like every once in a while, I would get an itch for a run. I would run in high school and I would run in college. It's definitely been much less since I was older.

And so that's a great point too, right? It's like, was I doing something pre-surgery or not? And I expected it to be there.

But my point in saying that was more like, I don't feel super safe or stable running. Does that make sense?

[Uncle Marv]
It does. And I ask that because people say to me now, you're going to be in the best shape of your life if you do this. Listen, the best shape of my life was 30 years ago and I am not getting back there.

So don't expect me to get there now. Or, oh, you'll be back to playing basketball. I haven't played basketball in 10 years.

I don't want to play basketball again. I just want to feel fine. But I get it.

There are a lot of people that they, I'm going to say this delicately because somebody will email, there were people who were never in shape growing up that all of a sudden decided to get in shape in their thirties or forties and fifties. And it's easy for them to say, I'm in the best shape of my life.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Yeah. Compared to what? Yeah.

[Uncle Marv]
I was playing three sports in high school. I was playing against, you know, college basketball players, you know, killing myself. Yeah.

I don't see myself getting back there now. So anyway, well, glad that you're feeling better. Glad that it's, uh, it's worked out.

I, I don't know. Part of me is wondering, well, you know, too bad you had to move for all that.

[Julie Cyvonne]
But, uh, I mean, at the end of the day, I'm much closer to my mom, which makes me happy. And I loved California and I'm very grateful for everything that California offered me. Um, but I never really felt at home, if that makes sense.

It never felt like that was really where I was going to like put down roots. I don't know that I really want to have kids. Like that's a whole other conversation, but it just didn't feel like where it was home.

[Uncle Marv]
Okay. So the other things that I was, as I was lurking on the IG, I saw that you were doing a whole different thing. And so let me at least ask the question and then we can kind of transfer, um, or transition into this.

Are you still doing the microdosing?

[Julie Cyvonne]
Yes.

[Uncle Marv]
Okay. All right.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Yes. Um, and so I was listening to our other episodes and I could hear myself reiterating over and over like microdosing, isn't an anvil. You don't just microdosing your life gets better.

There are things that you pair with the microdosing that result in the outcome that everyone wants. Right. And so I felt like people found me because they were interested in microdosing and I'm so grateful, um, for all the people I've worked with and, you know, all of the minds that have been open to this process.

Um, and I know that the people who ultimately chose to work with me understood that it wasn't a magic pill. It wasn't an anvil and they were ready to do that work in tandem with, with taking the microdose. Um, but I, I felt like I was also like, I wasn't capturing the whole picture.

Right. Cause it was never just microdosing. It's always been microdose and something else.

Um, and so I decided I have enough, I think, you know, presence and brand recognition at this point to not need to pigeon myself, pigeonhole myself anymore. I can be more open about the fact that this is like so much more than just microdosing. And I also found like the conversations that I were having were really like tied around depression and anxiety.

And, you know, for those people who are really struggling with depression and anxiety, I still have programs for you that can help you, but it was no longer a conversation that I could have in like my highest level containers day after day after day. And I decided I just want to start fresh because I did all that I could to shift like the, the energy of the container itself. Like I led differently.

I talked about things differently on Instagram. I was working on attracting different types of clients and it still just felt like anxiety and depression 24 seven. And that's just, that's no longer what I'm also using microdosing for either.

[Uncle Marv]
Okay. So I noticed the transition that, and I think you did use the word, uh, into a more holistic mindset.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Yes.

[Uncle Marv]
So holistic has been a word that's come up on this show many times and a lot of time it's focused in a particular area, you know, and then there's the functional medicine side of it, the functional foods, but you, you caught my attention with a word that I have heard my sister-in-law say, are you Veda?

[Julie Cyvonne]
Yes.

[Uncle Marv]
So I needed to ask, tell me about how you got to are you Veda and where are you now with it?

[Julie Cyvonne]
Yeah. So I, um, always view myself as like subject zero or like the Guinea pig of everything because I would never recommend something to someone had I not first experienced it. And I also want to put a caveat.

I know everybody is different, right? So my experience with something, um, might not be yours, but if someone wants to know, like, Hey, what supplements are you taking? I'm going to make sure I've taken them for like 30 days or something.

And like, actually seen a difference before I'll say anything and research them as well, right? Before I'll say anything to a person. So I've been really called are you Veda for a while.

And that was just honestly an intuitive thing where I had read about it or, you know, seen it in different things and thought, huh, I think there's something there. Like just intuitively to me, it also makes sense. Like coming back to the idea of everybody is different.

You know, you see some frames and these people are just so skinny and they can't gain weight and no, no matter what they do, they just stay that way. And some people like just really struggle to lose weight and they just naturally seem to like, hold on to more. And, you know, I think the best example of this is allergies.

If, if ever, if one thing worked for everyone, then we wouldn't have this diversity of allergies and, you know, people not being able to tolerate certain things. So I liked that. And I liked that it was really a cyclical with the seasons.

Um, one reason I actually wanted to move back to somewhere with seasons is because I, I like the difference in seeing like, you know, the plants die and then we have this like cold and this bitterness and then the spring comes and the little blossoms happen in summer. It's in full bloom. And I just like the transition, um, to me, it just, it really speaks to me.

That's how I grew up. I feel like that's how life is in general. And so, so many things about this system.

I was like, yes, that sounds so good. And one of the women inside the collective who I just, I'm obsessed with was telling me, I'm going to get the certification and I want to open my own business. And that's part of why she joined the collective.

So she could build some self-trust and, um, you know, gain the inner stuff she needed to, to create the outer business. And so she was going through a certification and I said, okay, when you're done, I really want to do an art of a to cleanse. Um, I like cleansing.

I like fasting. Um, I think you learn a lot about yourself in those practices. I'm not, this isn't like some weird, I'm going to lose five pounds for a wedding this weekend.

It's not about that. It's, it's about just noticing your relationship with food and seeing what comes up for you in the whole process. And so she has certified, she's done now.

And she took me through an art of a to cleanse. It was nine days total, three days pre period of just like getting stuff out of no processed foods, uh, limiting caffeine, et cetera. Three days of the cleanse, which is eating this.

Like I said this word on one of your podcasts before and he really liked it. That's a little porridge thing. It's called kitchery.

Um, and then three days out where you're again, just like limiting your food, like no processed food, et cetera. And then you're back on, you know, whatever your normal diet is. So I really enjoyed it mostly for the mental clarity.

Um, and I think it's a powerful practice.

[Uncle Marv]
All right. Very interesting. I have to compare notes now with my sister.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Well, she's obviously an expert, right? She's got the, she's got the schooling to back it up, et cetera. I just appreciate it as a consumer of this information.

One, well, my cleanse guide, she did send me a really beautiful hardcover, like, um, a booklet that you should put, what are those books called? Like they're more like decorative pamphlets. No, like a table book, you know, like people have them on their tables and probably never look at them and like trips to Italy.

But, um, okay.

[Uncle Marv]
That's not me.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Um, I actually, I'm going to read this book, but it's a beautiful book. Um, so I'm learning more about it, but I just disclaimer, like, this is not my area of expertise for it.

[Uncle Marv]
That's fair enough. I just thought I would ask. And, um, it's interesting to see the journey that everybody's on.

[Julie Cyvonne]
So there's been a journey.

[Uncle Marv]
Yeah. So as part of your, your, your new holistic approach, now you're, you're, you're said, you're still doing the microdosing, but you've added some more stuff on there. And I saw that you had a program and I haven't followed you enough to know what the program is, but I did see liberation.

So tell me about that.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Every year I choose a word. And in 2024, I chose the word metamorphosis. And by the end of 2024, my life looks completely different.

Like I had moved away from California. I was opening up this laser clinic and I was like, wow, I'm really good at getting these words that I want. And so in 2025, I was like, okay, I think I want my word to be liberation.

And I chose liberation very intentionally. Like I, it's so much different to me than like freedom, because I think, I think of freedom as like external things, right? Like we live in a free country, meaning like government isn't, you know, doing whatever to us, but liberation to me is an internal thing, because I know we all have ways that we hold ourselves back and for as much work as I've done on myself.

And I do think I've done quite a bit of work. There are still ways that like, you know, I don't always tell myself the best story or, you know, it's taken a lot of courage to open up a business that like, for instance, has so much more of a necessary, like cash injection than an online business, right? Like to go all in on my dreams in that way.

And so I thought to myself, I'm only going to be able to do this if I liberate my mind, if I really make my mind the most free, it could be right from within. And that is to me, like how I've used micro dosing recently, like in recent, you know, the last couple of years, it's not like, oh, I'm anxious. I'm depressed.

I want to get my mindset as good as it can be. I want to get even deeper into my meditation practice. I want to like, see, you know, how much I can optimize my physical performance using micro dosing as a tool, et cetera.

And so I was like, this is also where I want to go with the people I work with. I don't just want to be talking about anxiety and depression. So I'm taking five women through one to one work.

And here's something that, you know, all of you and everyone who's into tech on this podcast might find really cool. So one of my first clients, he designed a text platform based on Robert Thaler, Thayer or Thaler. He's a Nobel Prize winning economist, his nudge theory, which basically says if you receive a nudge, you're more likely to take a behavior that the nudge is inducing you to take.

Right. So after every call inside liberation, I'm going to copy the transcript of our call and put it into his tech service. And then the people will receive nudges to take action based on the specific things we actually talked about in our call, which I think is so freaking cool.

And that's how I'm going to build my next group program is by taking these women through one to one inside liberation and to really see, like, how cool can life get? Like, OK, we're no longer anxious and depressed. We're feeling pretty good.

But like, what if we wanted to be great? What would that look like?

[Uncle Marv]
I have many questions, but I want to make sure we stay on topic here. So let me first ask the one word concept. Now, I know that there was a big book called One Word and a big movie where every year you're supposed to pick a word and that would be your word to focus on for the year.

I know that I bought the book. I read the first few pages and it sits on a shelf somewhere in my office. Was that how you got to that one word concept or?

[Julie Cyvonne]
I never even heard of the book, but I have this.

[Uncle Marv]
OK, I'm going to have to give you a link to that. Yeah. One word.

It was a whole there was a whole thing built on the fact that just kind of like what you said, you pick a word that is going to be your mantra for the year and you would just simply make sure that and I don't know if it was every day or every week you basically had to evaluate. Are you staying true to your one word?

[Julie Cyvonne]
Got it. OK, to me, this also sounds like I know some people are absolutely obsessed with Mel Robbins, and I think that's great. But like this let them concept, I don't think is like the most novel thing in the entire world.

So I don't think I or the person who wrote the one word book really came up with this idea. But if it helps people, I'm all for it.

[Uncle Marv]
OK, funny you should mention. I'm going to show you this. Oh, my God, she's in my podcast list now.

[Julie Cyvonne]
She's not one of the most listened to podcasts on the list, but she's I mean, I think she breaks it down in a way that helps people digest it, which is great. Ultimately, if people don't understand your work or accessing your work, it's not making an impact. Yeah, I just don't.

In my opinion, she's not saying something so revolutionary, you know?

[Uncle Marv]
No, she's not. It's she just says it in a way that kind of excites people. And if you like her personality, I guess it works.

Sometimes I'm like, girl, you're not really saying anything. Oh, I hope she never does this.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Amen. Amen. Yeah, I'm just like, OK, listen to a lot of words.

I'm not sure where we got.

[Uncle Marv]
Right. It's funny, but there are people that intrigue me sometimes. I'm like, OK, what in the world is this phenomenon?

Her whole rocket ship.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Oh, is that the one, two, three, four, five?

[Uncle Marv]
Yes, yes, the five. Yeah.

[Julie Cyvonne]
People have been doing like parents have been saying that to children for so long. Don't act like you made the jump out of your bed at the end of the countdown thing.

[Uncle Marv]
But we're going to get in trouble.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Mel Robbins can come at me.

[Uncle Marv]
Oh my, come at me, bro.

[Julie Cyvonne]
I'm not that scared of her. I don't dislike her. I don't think she's bad.

[Uncle Marv]
I'm not worried. My podcast isn't that popular. Oh, my goodness gracious.

OK, so liberation. So it is liberation one to one. You're taking five women through it.

So that's pretty cool. What else?

[Julie Cyvonne]
Yeah, so I think within that, just like, yeah, micro dosing is going to continue to be a tool that we use. But it's also focused on so much more than that. Right.

It's like and again, it was never just about the micro dosing, but really pulling out my toolbox of like, OK, what are the things that I've doubled down on that have allowed me to using micro dosing in tandem with these things to really get to a place of, you know, where I'm at now, which I feel really good about the life that I've created for myself and especially taking after such like a, you know, a hard right turn away from the law when it's all said and done.

I'm really proud of what I've done.

[Uncle Marv]
OK. All right. So this is about the time where I have started asking my guests.

Do you have any questions for me?

[Julie Cyvonne]
Oh, wait, I want to know what all the questions were that you were like, oh, these things came up for me while I was listening to you talk.

[Uncle Marv]
About the laser?

[Julie Cyvonne]
No, you said when I was talking about liberation, like I have a lot of questions following that.

[Uncle Marv]
Oh, see, we moved past it. I don't remember. I'll have to.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Uncle Marv, would you ever micro dose?

[Uncle Marv]
I don't know.

[Julie Cyvonne]
OK, let me say this.

[Uncle Marv]
If you had asked me that last year when we first interviewed, I just said no. Yeah, because my whole thing is so let's put it this way. OK, so I barely drink.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Right.

[Uncle Marv]
So I did have I've had two bad drinking experiences in my life. And. Both of them were just because I went past my limit and I said, you know what?

That's never going to happen to me again. But it's actually gotten to the point where I just I don't want to put anything into my body that I don't know what it is. I don't understand it.

And, you know, that's kind of helped me with my, you know, my diet thing where, you know, stop putting all these chemicals and stuff in there. But. To me, and I'll just say this, and I don't think you'll be offended by it, but it was that whole.

The perception that is put out there in public is that's a drug. What the hell are you doing?

[Julie Cyvonne]
Yeah. No, 100 percent. That is the main narrative.

[Uncle Marv]
Right.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Outed around psychedelics. OK, well, I have a follow up question. And I ask this because I recently decided to stop drinking and nothing crazy happened.

I didn't get a DUI, get in an accident, get in a fight. I just I feel like I'm very sensitive to how I feel. And right now I'm in a place where I genuinely, genuinely feel really good most of the time.

So if I'm like hung over, I really feel it and I don't like it. But you also seem like the type of person who like and I know that you don't smoke cigarettes because I remember that story you told me about your mom and she made you smoke. And then you're like, this is gross.

But you seem like the person who like if you did smoke and you decided you didn't want to smoke, you would just like put them down and never pick them up again.

[Uncle Marv]
Really?

[Julie Cyvonne]
OK, have you ever felt like I don't know, has it been challenging for you? Because I know you're not a big drinker or anything like that.

[Uncle Marv]
That no, because that that was never part of my identity. It wasn't like I didn't go drinking every Friday night sort of a thing. So it wasn’t a habit, I guess, it was the way it is.

But you're probably right. I mean, when I. If I'm done with something, I'm done.

You know, that is how I quit basketball. People couldn't believe it. I was literally on the court one day and we had just finished a game and I just got to the point where why am I doing this?

I'm done. And I just literally walked out midway through a Saturday morning and said, “I’m done. Good.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Really?

[Uncle Marv]
Yeah.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Wow.

[Uncle Marv]
OK, and that's I've been able to do that with most things. Now, there's probably some things that I don't know that I could quit. For instance, let me think in my diet.

So for some reason, I still have this thing of eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich before bed.

[Julie Cyvonne]
I love that. I love PB&J.

[Uncle Marv]
I mean, there's no real reason for it.

[Julie Cyvonne]
That's adorable. You're so wholesome. OK, wait.

So you have been in a very beautiful, healthy relationship. And I think relationships are really hard.

[Uncle Marv]
I never told you it was healthy.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Well, I'm just going to assume from what I see on the gram. Um, yeah, I mean, gosh, that probably requires more work than anything. Like what would you say to someone who really wanted to have like a beautiful long term relationship?

Like what is kind of a secret thing that you have to be committed to doing?

[Uncle Marv]
Oh, my. You have to be able to filter.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Oh, like not everything up here needs to come out here.

[Uncle Marv]
Yes, you can't always say the first thing that comes to mind.

[Julie Cyvonne]
OK, that is valuable. I do think some people think like, oh, I thought it. So I should say it.

No.

[Uncle Marv]
Well, OK, well, let me say this. So there was a time in life where my philosophy was you say it because it's better to have said it than to have not said it. And saying it is part of your truth.

So that was my thing was, look, I'm going to be honest. So if I'm thinking something, I'm going to tell you. OK, so I did do that for a long time.

And of course, sometimes it came across as mean. No other choice words. But I'm like, look, I'm just being honest.

I'm not going to pretend, you know, if I don't like something, I'm not going to pretend that we're getting along. I'm not. That was my whole thing is I don't want to live a lie.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Yeah.

[Uncle Marv]
But there are times where I have learned that it's not that you're living a lie if you don't say something. Sometimes it's you have to learn how to say things the right way.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Yeah, right. Like you could deliver the same message in very different ways. Right.

OK, so your delivery has shifted.

[Uncle Marv]
Yes.

[Julie Cyvonne]
We're still honest and integrity, but we're really mindful of our delivery.

[Uncle Marv]
Yes. So that's probably the one thing. If I had to pick one, that would be first.

The second would be just simply taking into consideration the other person. And the way that I see it is you have to think about their part in the relationship. It's a two way street.

Yes. But you mentioned the concept that everybody is different. And just because you're with somebody doesn't mean that you think the same, that you act the same, that you want the same things every single day.

I mean, it just doesn't work that way.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Yeah.

[Uncle Marv]
So there are times where you just have to realize, OK, I'm feeling this way. I may want this person to feel this way, but I have to take into consideration what's going on in their world that I don't see that is causing them to either do something we don't like or act a different way or respond to us. You know, there's all those things.

So a lot of it has just been learning to look at that and try to adjust. And sometimes you put up with stuff you don't want to, but you know that, you know what, that's not as important as the other stuff.

[Julie Cyvonne]
You know, what's really interesting is I have gotten more into like chat GBT and training chat to, you know, help me with things. And I realize there's so many little assumptions that we're making in our head. And AI works best when we give it as much information as is needed to provide us with the feedback, right?

And in the same way, I think we are making these little micro assumptions of like, well, our partner should have known that or how could they not think of blah, blah, blah. And it's like, man, if you can't even remember to tell chat GBT this thing that's important for it to make a decision, like maybe we should give everyone a little bit more slack because I think we could all work on improving our communication. And yeah, like giving it as much information as is kind and respectful but also needed.

[Uncle Marv]
Wow. You didn't think I'd answered that, did you?

[Julie Cyvonne]
I thought you'd answer it. I wasn't sure like where we were going to go with it, but I really liked the answer.

[Uncle Marv]
I'm also looking at the clock and realize we don't have a ton of time to go down that rabbit hole.

[Julie Cyvonne]
People needed to hear those. I'm sure we're going to save some relationships today. By we, I just mean you.

But I should do a podcast. I think I am going to start a podcast.

[Uncle Marv]
Really?

[Julie Cyvonne]
Yes.

[Uncle Marv]
OK, we'll talk about that.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Let's do it.

[Uncle Marv]
So. All right. Well, Julie, like I said, I know we're coming close to a hard break that I need to make sure you go.

So let me at least say thank you very much for agreeing to come back on the show and to share where you have been in the last year. It's like I said, I've seen some stuff on the gram and I'm like, oh, I got a I got a chat.

[Julie Cyvonne]
Oh, thank you so much for having me back. I love being on here and speaking with you and just so grateful for the opportunity.

[Uncle Marv]
All right. Well, folks, make sure you check out the links in the show notes. I will have a link to her Instagram where you can go see all the stuff that I've been seeing at Julie Cyvonne, and she will have information on where you can go and see some of the stuff she's doing now.

You've got the one on one that you're doing that's in person. You have the laser stuff you're doing. Do you still have online things that people can poke around with and order stuff?

[Julie Cyvonne]
Yeah. So my one to one is all over Zoom. Unfortunately, I don't think any of the women live close to me, but in terms of kind of choose your own adventure DIY, I did make one of my most popular programs that I've only ever run in a group into something where you can activate it and do it whenever you want.

So that is an option that's called Unbreakable, and it's actually delivered to you via text. It's my same my former client text developer. You get a text every single day with habits and you start habit stacking with micro dosing because nudge theory makes it easier for you to take a new behavior and micro dosing can make sure that those new neural connections really stick.

Really cool program. And that is something that people can access anytime they want.

[Uncle Marv]
All right. We'll have a link to that as well. So that's going to do it, folks.

I've got to let Julie go. So thank you for tuning in. Be sure to check out more stuff with the Unhealthy Podcast.

And remember, this is all done so that you can live healthy and be happy. See you next time. Holla.